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Author:  DavidHRC [ Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:05 pm ]
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What does anyone make of this ebay representation?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Panerai-1950-old-It ... 240%3A1318

Never heard anything about an actual "original" watch like this, though I have read Panerai was a gov't supplier.

I find the claim that it was serviced at Tourneau to be interesting and suggestive of legitimacy.
Author:  Letsrock [ Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:33 pm ]
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Very interesting, but i wonder why he would let go of such a piece?
Author:  paneraisource [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:20 am ]
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A "real" fiddy? hmm.. paint me skeptical..
Author:  sportback [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:09 am ]
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I for one would be very sceptical about this...but then, it could be genuine...?!

Panerai have never made any 'Army Issue' watches - they did make a few for the Italian Navy, on special order, and they also made gun and torpedo sights etc.

Anyone can say they've had an item checked or repaired by a dealer - there's no way of checking this out.

And finally, if the seller really did have it checked by an AD, wouldn't he have asked what it was worth first? Putting an item like this on eBay just doesn't make sense.

An easy way to check this out (for anyone living in NYC) would simply be to ask for a face-to-face deal...
Author:  Baz1950 [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:01 am ]
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An out of focus picture, the eBay norm it seems with questionable items. Feedback of 3, super rare watch :shock:

I'll re-marry my ex wife if that turned out to be genuine. As noted, if the dealers flagged it as kosher, values would have been talked about, offers possibly made even, or at least pointed in the direction of collectors. Service receipt would be pictured and a major bigging it up exercise undertaken if that was real.

Why would you put it on eBay? "Fake as a fake thing from planet fake", is what we usually conclude, here in the UK
Author:  DavidHRC [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:42 pm ]
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On the skeptical side: I am thinking that if someone at Tourneau thought this was real, they would have offered him money and he'd have taken it. The reference to a "special unit" seems like a con-artist's hook. I am also interested that he mentions "box and papers," something a student of Paneristi would know, but not a simple seaman's son.

On the "want to believe" side: The son seems, well, unsophisticated in ways, what with all the spelling errors, etc. To him, this item may be just be a banged up old watch that's worth a big steak dinner at some fancy NY restaurant. Perhaps Tourneau gave him a hint of worth and he studied up enough to make a sort-of presentation on ebay.
Author:  xcf957 [ Sun Feb 08, 2009 1:45 am ]
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The listing was already removed by ebay.
Author:  sportback [ Sun Feb 08, 2009 8:13 am ]
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Wow - does that mean ebay read Panerai Source? I'm impressed... :lol:
Author:  xcf957 [ Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:12 am ]
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I don't think that ebay read Panerai Source. The Seller listed his transaction outside ebay and it is not allow by ebay, ebay won't get their commission.
Author:  sportback [ Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:49 pm ]
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xcf957 wrote:
I don't think that ebay read Panerai Source


I was joking... :lol:
Author:  DavidHRC [ Sat Feb 14, 2009 6:36 am ]
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I finally spoke with the seller. His listing was deleted on three occasions. After each deletion he revised language that ebay, he claimed, objected to for violation of trademarks. The seller told me that Panerai was objecting. He also alleged that a Panerai exec contacted him at home (couldn't figure out how they got his number) and made a healthy offer. He also claimed that since the listing was noticed he had at least one private offer of $40K. Said he'd send me a copy of his Dad's discharge papers if I wanted for verification. Also claimed to have a second watch that was never worn, not the beater his dad wore every day. Then he offered me his family's tour guide services if I ever visit Florence (from whence he moved just 2 years ago). Altogether a mysterious conversation. I won't be offering. But he may be telling God's truth.
Author:  cxbxax [ Sat Feb 14, 2009 6:18 pm ]
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he sure has a rich imagination.
Author:  paneraisource [ Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:58 pm ]
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No doubt.. that's quite the story.. guy was offered $40K cash, and instead he decided to list it on ebay 3 times?

I wouldn't be surprised if Ebay reads some of the forums for replica info.
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